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Hi Bob & Group
I agree that National will probably
not implement Star Link. But individual Red Cross Chapters in high
risk disaster areas sure could. With Star Link RV - There would
be NO monthly fees as the service would only be turned on during
the needs of the disaster event. Also what about approaching the
the Star Link corporation about extending a special pricing
structure for Disaster organization"s like Red Cross. It would be
good PR for them.
Bob have you made any decision on about
getting Star Link for your RV?
On 12/12/2022 11:26 PM, Bob Birch
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Due
to high cost of equipment and monthly service fees. I don’t
see it ever happening in the Southern California Region. I
know National is looking at StarLink so in the future there
may be something that will deploy from the LFC.
We
are fortunate to have the IEEE truck that can fill a large
portion of our needs for at least one shelter. They did a
fantastic job in showing their capabilities during the
Border32 fire.
It
would be great if there was a hot wash of the DST response
to Hurricane IAN.
Bob
What I am suggesting is supplying
Internet connectivity to a Red Cross Shelter or Service
Center in locations that have NO available functional
communications infrastructure because it has been destroyed
or overloaded by the disaster event.
I think Star Link/RV has merit - for
Emcomm communications.
I have found the Red Cross functions that Red Cross DST
serves - are addicted to their cell phones and Laptops, and
have the mind set that they will NEVER FAIL!!! They want
Internet speeds even during a disaster! Real life training
that simulates a major communications failure - injects
MUST be in training drills that FORCE Red Cross functions to
use the communications tools that Red Cross DST has. I
believe that STAR LINK must be a tool in the Red Cross DST
communications Tool Box!! The challenge I see, is getting
Star Link powered from 12 Volts Bioenno LiFePO4 - 40 - 80 AH
battery with solar - rather than 120 VAC - that Star Link
currently uses, which may not be available during a
disaster.
On 12/12/2022 10:56 PM, Steve wrote:
No one that I know of. I'd consider it
but have terrible view of the sky.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:04 PM
Bruce <wa6dnt@...>
wrote:
Hi Bob and group
Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ??
Info from one who has:
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On
Dec 12, 2022, at 12:18, Glen Strecker, KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...>
wrote:
I’m probably going to
commit blasphemy here, but down in Louisiana during
Hurricane Ida, a number of parishes, counties to the
rest of the country, got knocked out by storm
surge. Flooding everywhere, commercial power
knocked out, cell towers destroyed or without
power. Many lost radio antennas. The solution came
from Elon Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number
of Starlink units to the state for distribution as
needed. This got most of the southern parishes back
in direct contact from their EOCs to the Governor’s
Office to send and receive WebEOC messages again.
Having a reliable Internet connection for the EOC
allows the use of several radio digital modes with
higher speed data throughput than is normally
available via HF using radio hot spot connections to
the Internet since the EOCs almost always have
backup emergency power to keep things running when
commercial power is lost.
Some EMs are very reluctant
to utilize ham radios when their normal systems go
out. Probably because many of them don’t understand
the capabilities we have, or they needed something
done faster. Our last EC was of the mind that all
he needed was a VHF 2-meter rig, a pad of paper, and
a pencil to get things done. He wanted to do
everything via voice. Try doing that long-term with
complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC or a
hospital to your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see
how quickly things get backed up. These days, being
able to couple your computer to the radio system is
a must with or without access to the Internet. But,
having Internet access makes a world of difference
in allowing the served agency to function in a
manner that is more normal to their needs.
Glen – KG5CEN
73 Bruce WA6DNT@...
San Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF NNC9RC
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Bob thanks for the reply. When
connected to the Internet and in use - Star Link can draw 45-75
Watts! So if it can be powered by battery and solar, then at night
it may be necessary to put it in standby mode until day break,
when at a Shelter or Service Center. As for the RV -
De-prioritizing the speed - the very useful video link you sent
shows worst case at 13 Mbps down and 11 Mbps up. That is sure
faster than even Hi speed VARA-FM at best = 30 Kbps !! Red Cross
disaster traffic is mostly forms, and resource searches on google,
and logistic communications with a CDOC or National. . . We are
not supplying High speed Internet to the shelter population to
stream movies!
Bruce .
On 12/12/2022 11:10 PM, Bob Birch
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Bruce,
As
I said during the Dec meeting, I’m seriously looking at it
for my RV.
If
you read the article in the link you sent, you will find
service varies depending on where you are. It does appear
the most congested area is all along the Eastern portion of
the U.S.. The West is not overly saturated yet but guess it
will be as StarLink continues to grow.
Look
at the link below that shows differences between home and
rv. I believe the person that did this comparison was
located in a remote area of northern AZ.
https://changinglanesrv.com/starlink-head-to-head/
It’s
not a cheap investment either. Equipment is $599 + tax +
shipping. Total cost will end up around $703. Then the
service itself is $135 per month for the RV service although
you can suspend service when you don’t want to use it. You
can setup residential service for about $125 a month then
add $10 for portability. As you see it comes out the same
price. Only benefit is with home service you get preferred
service so when you do travel just change your zip code on
the account and you get preferred service, unless you are in
a congested service area. In that case they may not turn
your service on at all. There are reports of high power
usage as well. Even in standby mode it is reported to draw
25watts of power.
Bob
Hi Bob and group
Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ??
Info from one who has:
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On Dec 12,
2022, at 12:18, Glen Strecker, KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...>
wrote:
I’m probably going to commit
blasphemy here, but down in Louisiana during Hurricane Ida,
a number of parishes, counties to the rest of the country,
got knocked out by storm surge. Flooding everywhere,
commercial power knocked out, cell towers destroyed or
without power. Many lost radio antennas. The solution came
from Elon Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number of
Starlink units to the state for distribution as needed.
This got most of the southern parishes back in direct
contact from their EOCs to the Governor’s Office to send and
receive WebEOC messages again. Having a reliable Internet
connection for the EOC allows the use of several radio
digital modes with higher speed data throughput than is
normally available via HF using radio hot spot connections
to the Internet since the EOCs almost always have backup
emergency power to keep things running when commercial power
is lost.
Some EMs are very reluctant to
utilize ham radios when their normal systems go out.
Probably because many of them don’t understand the
capabilities we have, or they needed something done faster.
Our last EC was of the mind that all he needed was a VHF
2-meter rig, a pad of paper, and a pencil to get things
done. He wanted to do everything via voice. Try doing that
long-term with complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC
or a hospital to your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see how
quickly things get backed up. These days, being able to
couple your computer to the radio system is a must with or
without access to the Internet. But, having Internet access
makes a world of difference in allowing the served agency to
function in a manner that is more normal to their needs.
Glen – KG5CEN
73 Bruce WA6DNT@... San
Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF NNC9RC
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Due to high cost of equipment and monthly service fees. I don’t see it ever happening in the Southern California Region. I know National is looking at StarLink so in the future there may be something that will deploy from the LFC. We are fortunate to have the IEEE truck that can fill a large portion of our needs for at least one shelter. They did a fantastic job in showing their capabilities during the Border32 fire. It would be great if there was a hot wash of the DST response to Hurricane IAN. Bob
From: main@ARC2-SDICC.groups.io [mailto:main@ARC2-SDICC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 11:15 PM
To: main@ARC2-SDICC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ARC2-SDICC] STAR LINK ?? What I am suggesting is supplying Internet connectivity to a Red Cross Shelter or Service Center in locations that have NO available functional communications infrastructure because it has been destroyed or overloaded by the disaster event. I think Star Link/RV has merit - for Emcomm communications.
I have found the Red Cross functions that Red Cross DST serves - are addicted to their cell phones and Laptops, and have the mind set that they will NEVER FAIL!!! They want Internet speeds even during a disaster! Real life training that simulates a major communications failure - injects MUST be in training drills that FORCE Red Cross functions to use the communications tools that Red Cross DST has. I believe that STAR LINK must be a tool in the Red Cross DST communications Tool Box!! The challenge I see, is getting Star Link powered from 12 Volts Bioenno LiFePO4 - 40 - 80 AH battery with solar - rather than 120 VAC - that Star Link currently uses, which may not be available during a disaster. On 12/12/2022 10:56 PM, Steve wrote: No one that I know of. I'd consider it but have terrible view of the sky. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:04 PM Bruce <wa6dnt@...> wrote: Hi Bob and group Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ?? Info from one who has: https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:18, Glen Strecker, KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...> wrote:
I’m probably going to commit blasphemy here, but down in Louisiana during Hurricane Ida, a number of parishes, counties to the rest of the country, got knocked out by storm surge. Flooding everywhere, commercial power knocked out, cell towers destroyed or without power. Many lost radio antennas. The solution came from Elon Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number of Starlink units to the state for distribution as needed. This got most of the southern parishes back in direct contact from their EOCs to the Governor’s Office to send and receive WebEOC messages again. Having a reliable Internet connection for the EOC allows the use of several radio digital modes with higher speed data throughput than is normally available via HF using radio hot spot connections to the Internet since the EOCs almost always have backup emergency power to keep things running when commercial power is lost. Some EMs are very reluctant to utilize ham radios when their normal systems go out. Probably because many of them don’t understand the capabilities we have, or they needed something done faster. Our last EC was of the mind that all he needed was a VHF 2-meter rig, a pad of paper, and a pencil to get things done. He wanted to do everything via voice. Try doing that long-term with complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC or a hospital to your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see how quickly things get backed up. These days, being able to couple your computer to the radio system is a must with or without access to the Internet. But, having Internet access makes a world of difference in allowing the served agency to function in a manner that is more normal to their needs. Glen – KG5CEN 73 Bruce WA6DNT@... San Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF NNC9RC
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Hi Steve & Group
What I am suggesting is supplying
Internet connectivity to a Red Cross Shelter or Service Center in
locations that have NO available functional communications
infrastructure because it has been destroyed or overloaded by the
disaster event.
I think Star Link/RV has merit - for
Emcomm communications.
I have found the Red Cross functions that Red Cross DST serves -
are addicted to their cell phones and Laptops, and have the mind
set that they will NEVER FAIL!!! They want Internet speeds even
during a disaster! Real life training that simulates a major
communications failure - injects MUST be in training drills that
FORCE Red Cross functions to use the communications tools that Red
Cross DST has. I believe that STAR LINK must be a tool in the Red
Cross DST communications Tool Box!! The challenge I see, is
getting Star Link powered from 12 Volts Bioenno LiFePO4 - 40 - 80
AH battery with solar - rather than 120 VAC - that Star Link
currently uses, which may not be available during a disaster.
On 12/12/2022 10:56 PM, Steve wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
No one that I know of. I'd consider it but have
terrible view of the sky.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:04
PM Bruce < wa6dnt@...>
wrote:
Hi Bob and group
Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ??
Info from one who has:
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:18, Glen
Strecker, KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...>
wrote:
I’m
probably going to commit blasphemy here, but down in
Louisiana during Hurricane Ida, a number of parishes,
counties to the rest of the country, got knocked out by
storm surge. Flooding everywhere, commercial power
knocked out, cell towers destroyed or without power.
Many lost radio antennas. The solution came from Elon
Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number of Starlink
units to the state for distribution as needed. This got
most of the southern parishes back in direct contact
from their EOCs to the Governor’s Office to send and
receive WebEOC messages again. Having a reliable
Internet connection for the EOC allows the use of
several radio digital modes with higher speed data
throughput than is normally available via HF using radio
hot spot connections to the Internet since the EOCs
almost always have backup emergency power to keep things
running when commercial power is lost.
Some EMs
are very reluctant to utilize ham radios when their
normal systems go out. Probably because many of them
don’t understand the capabilities we have, or they
needed something done faster. Our last EC was of the
mind that all he needed was a VHF 2-meter rig, a pad of
paper, and a pencil to get things done. He wanted to do
everything via voice. Try doing that long-term with
complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC or a
hospital to your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see how
quickly things get backed up. These days, being able to
couple your computer to the radio system is a must with
or without access to the Internet. But, having Internet
access makes a world of difference in allowing the
served agency to function in a manner that is more
normal to their needs.
Glen –
KG5CEN
73 Bruce
WA6DNT@...
San Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF NNC9RC
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Bruce, As I said during the Dec meeting, I’m seriously looking at it for my RV. If you read the article in the link you sent, you will find service varies depending on where you are. It does appear the most congested area is all along the Eastern portion of the U.S.. The West is not overly saturated yet but guess it will be as StarLink continues to grow. Look at the link below that shows differences between home and rv. I believe the person that did this comparison was located in a remote area of northern AZ. https://changinglanesrv.com/starlink-head-to-head/ It’s not a cheap investment either. Equipment is $599 + tax + shipping. Total cost will end up around $703. Then the service itself is $135 per month for the RV service although you can suspend service when you don’t want to use it. You can setup residential service for about $125 a month then add $10 for portability. As you see it comes out the same price. Only benefit is with home service you get preferred service so when you do travel just change your zip code on the account and you get preferred service, unless you are in a congested service area. In that case they may not turn your service on at all. There are reports of high power usage as well. Even in standby mode it is reported to draw 25watts of power. Bob
From: main@ARC2-SDICC.groups.io [mailto:main@ARC2-SDICC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 10:04 PM
To: main@ARC2-SDICC.groups.io
Subject: [ARC2-SDICC] STAR LINK ?? Hi Bob and group Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ?? Info from one who has: https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:18, Glen Strecker, KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...> wrote:
I’m probably going to commit blasphemy here, but down in Louisiana during Hurricane Ida, a number of parishes, counties to the rest of the country, got knocked out by storm surge. Flooding everywhere, commercial power knocked out, cell towers destroyed or without power. Many lost radio antennas. The solution came from Elon Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number of Starlink units to the state for distribution as needed. This got most of the southern parishes back in direct contact from their EOCs to the Governor’s Office to send and receive WebEOC messages again. Having a reliable Internet connection for the EOC allows the use of several radio digital modes with higher speed data throughput than is normally available via HF using radio hot spot connections to the Internet since the EOCs almost always have backup emergency power to keep things running when commercial power is lost. Some EMs are very reluctant to utilize ham radios when their normal systems go out. Probably because many of them don’t understand the capabilities we have, or they needed something done faster. Our last EC was of the mind that all he needed was a VHF 2-meter rig, a pad of paper, and a pencil to get things done. He wanted to do everything via voice. Try doing that long-term with complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC or a hospital to your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see how quickly things get backed up. These days, being able to couple your computer to the radio system is a must with or without access to the Internet. But, having Internet access makes a world of difference in allowing the served agency to function in a manner that is more normal to their needs. Glen – KG5CEN 73 Bruce WA6DNT@... San Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF NNC9RC
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Steve K W6SJK
No one that I know of. I'd consider it but have terrible view of the sky.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:04 PM Bruce < wa6dnt@...> wrote:
Hi Bob and group
Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ??
Info from one who has:
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:18, Glen Strecker,
KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...> wrote:
I’m probably
going to commit blasphemy here, but down in Louisiana during
Hurricane Ida, a number of parishes, counties to the rest of the
country, got knocked out by storm surge. Flooding everywhere,
commercial power knocked out, cell towers destroyed or without
power. Many lost radio antennas. The solution came from Elon
Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number of Starlink units to
the state for distribution as needed. This got most of the
southern parishes back in direct contact from their EOCs to the
Governor’s Office to send and receive WebEOC messages again.
Having a reliable Internet connection for the EOC allows the use
of several radio digital modes with higher speed data throughput
than is normally available via HF using radio hot spot
connections to the Internet since the EOCs almost always have
backup emergency power to keep things running when commercial
power is lost.
Some EMs are
very reluctant to utilize ham radios when their normal systems
go out. Probably because many of them don’t understand the
capabilities we have, or they needed something done faster. Our
last EC was of the mind that all he needed was a VHF 2-meter
rig, a pad of paper, and a pencil to get things done. He wanted
to do everything via voice. Try doing that long-term with
complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC or a hospital to
your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see how quickly things get
backed up. These days, being able to couple your computer to
the radio system is a must with or without access to the
Internet. But, having Internet access makes a world of
difference in allowing the served agency to function in a manner
that is more normal to their needs.
Glen – KG5CEN
73 Bruce
WA6DNT@... San Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF
NNC9RC
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Hi Bob and group
Has there anyone yet tried STAR-LINK/RV ??
Info from one who has:
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/starlink-rv-game-changer-for-digital-nomads/
On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:18, Glen Strecker,
KG5CEN <Kg5Cen@...> wrote:
I’m probably
going to commit blasphemy here, but down in Louisiana during
Hurricane Ida, a number of parishes, counties to the rest of the
country, got knocked out by storm surge. Flooding everywhere,
commercial power knocked out, cell towers destroyed or without
power. Many lost radio antennas. The solution came from Elon
Musk and Starlink. Elon donated a number of Starlink units to
the state for distribution as needed. This got most of the
southern parishes back in direct contact from their EOCs to the
Governor’s Office to send and receive WebEOC messages again.
Having a reliable Internet connection for the EOC allows the use
of several radio digital modes with higher speed data throughput
than is normally available via HF using radio hot spot
connections to the Internet since the EOCs almost always have
backup emergency power to keep things running when commercial
power is lost.
Some EMs are
very reluctant to utilize ham radios when their normal systems
go out. Probably because many of them don’t understand the
capabilities we have, or they needed something done faster. Our
last EC was of the mind that all he needed was a VHF 2-meter
rig, a pad of paper, and a pencil to get things done. He wanted
to do everything via voice. Try doing that long-term with
complicated lists of requisitions from an EOC or a hospital to
your Governor’s Office or FEMA and see how quickly things get
backed up. These days, being able to couple your computer to
the radio system is a must with or without access to the
Internet. But, having Internet access makes a world of
difference in allowing the served agency to function in a manner
that is more normal to their needs.
Glen – KG5CEN
73 Bruce
WA6DNT@... San Diego Red Cross DST SHARES HF
NNC9RC
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